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	<title>Comments on: Dignifying That Controversy: Statistics, Injustice, and Damn Luck</title>
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		<title>By: Marocharim</title>
		<link>http://www.marocharim.com/2008/08/09/dignifying-that-controversy-statistics-injustice-and-damn-luck/comment-page-1/#comment-4427</link>
		<dc:creator>Marocharim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis:

True enough.  But what about the necessary expenses (board, lodging, fare, food, and so on) should said poor student pass the UPCAT and gain admission to UP?

I do agree that entrance exams *help* schools weed out the talented who *must* gain entry into their schools.  However, any institution that is capable of fostering excellence is also capable of fostering mediocrity.  Entrance exams are *never* an assurance or a proof of excellence; even the best trees make rotten fruit.

Thanks for your thoughtful comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis:</p>
<p>True enough.  But what about the necessary expenses (board, lodging, fare, food, and so on) should said poor student pass the UPCAT and gain admission to UP?</p>
<p>I do agree that entrance exams *help* schools weed out the talented who *must* gain entry into their schools.  However, any institution that is capable of fostering excellence is also capable of fostering mediocrity.  Entrance exams are *never* an assurance or a proof of excellence; even the best trees make rotten fruit.</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Resurreccion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Resurreccion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI. Public school students who belong to the top 10 of their graduating class get to take the UPCAT for free.

The quality of the graduates determines the prestige of a school, just as a tree is known by the fruit it bears. Entrance exams help schools select the talented young blood who will ensure the school retains the prestige that it carries.

If AMA, for example, were to produce mostly incompetent graduates, its prestige will be very low, no matter how much money it spends on advertizing and promotion. But if they get the best minds and train them to become topnotch professionals, their name would be honored far and wide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI. Public school students who belong to the top 10 of their graduating class get to take the UPCAT for free.</p>
<p>The quality of the graduates determines the prestige of a school, just as a tree is known by the fruit it bears. Entrance exams help schools select the talented young blood who will ensure the school retains the prestige that it carries.</p>
<p>If AMA, for example, were to produce mostly incompetent graduates, its prestige will be very low, no matter how much money it spends on advertizing and promotion. But if they get the best minds and train them to become topnotch professionals, their name would be honored far and wide.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamestoned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamestoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Den (did I spell it right?)

Excusez-moi for spelling your name wrong but I did wrote the slang &quot;whatchamacallit&quot; which meant &quot;whatever you call it.&quot;

Just a trivia for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Den (did I spell it right?)</p>
<p>Excusez-moi for spelling your name wrong but I did wrote the slang &#8220;whatchamacallit&#8221; which meant &#8220;whatever you call it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just a trivia for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Marocharim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marocharim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Den:

Y&#039;know, reading your comment, I&#039;m reminded of small children who, after getting scraped knees, show off the scars even if the wounds have healed.

Move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Den:</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know, reading your comment, I&#8217;m reminded of small children who, after getting scraped knees, show off the scars even if the wounds have healed.</p>
<p>Move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Den</title>
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		<dc:creator>Den</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My post about Fake Scholars and School Bashing were not driven by resentment. Those were winnowed out from my own observation and opinion. I believe that, in essence, our collective perception of a certain institution (and its graduates) depends more upon the institution’s endowment more than anything else. Wealthy institutions can entice star faculty members, provide their faculty with state-of-the-art resources, have top-notch libraries, can equip their classrooms with high-tech audio-visual equipment and maintain small class sizes. It’s all because they have all of these great resources and so students flock to them. And so they have the luxury to get the pick of the litter. Well, it’s all about money, isn’t it? However, some students may manage to maximize their learning in spite of lack of endowment by their chosen institution. Yet, some fail to grasp this. Undeniably, graduates from lesser-fancied schools (like me) are being placed at a disadvantage because of those “biases”.  

I think as a nation we should stop glorifying schools. Wouldn’t it be better if we judge graduates according to their own ability and not on one’s perceived-ability? Would it be better if we don’t allow stereotypes to cloud our judgments?

Yes, I am guilty of glorifying my own alma mater. You may call me bitter or whatever. It’s not bitterness it a clamor for equality. 


By the way, I’m Den, not Dan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post about Fake Scholars and School Bashing were not driven by resentment. Those were winnowed out from my own observation and opinion. I believe that, in essence, our collective perception of a certain institution (and its graduates) depends more upon the institution’s endowment more than anything else. Wealthy institutions can entice star faculty members, provide their faculty with state-of-the-art resources, have top-notch libraries, can equip their classrooms with high-tech audio-visual equipment and maintain small class sizes. It’s all because they have all of these great resources and so students flock to them. And so they have the luxury to get the pick of the litter. Well, it’s all about money, isn’t it? However, some students may manage to maximize their learning in spite of lack of endowment by their chosen institution. Yet, some fail to grasp this. Undeniably, graduates from lesser-fancied schools (like me) are being placed at a disadvantage because of those “biases”.  </p>
<p>I think as a nation we should stop glorifying schools. Wouldn’t it be better if we judge graduates according to their own ability and not on one’s perceived-ability? Would it be better if we don’t allow stereotypes to cloud our judgments?</p>
<p>Yes, I am guilty of glorifying my own alma mater. You may call me bitter or whatever. It’s not bitterness it a clamor for equality. </p>
<p>By the way, I’m Den, not Dan.</p>
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		<title>By: Marocharim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marocharim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jester: Yes, it probably would.

Staci: We don&#039;t agree a lot, but I have to agree with you on that one.  Although I think Relojo&#039;s point was motivated by deep-seated resentment.  I personally think that glory should be given to a school which accepts only the best, and counts its exponents as the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jester: Yes, it probably would.</p>
<p>Staci: We don&#8217;t agree a lot, but I have to agree with you on that one.  Although I think Relojo&#8217;s point was motivated by deep-seated resentment.  I personally think that glory should be given to a school which accepts only the best, and counts its exponents as the best.</p>
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		<title>By: On Books, and My Birthday Wishlist *hint hint* &#8226; MISTERYOSA.COM</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Books, and My Birthday Wishlist *hint hint* &#8226; MISTERYOSA.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like I am. I failed goddamn PE, for crying out loud! So, yes, Marocharim, I only got into UP with a lot of damn dumb luck and ended up being a mediocre-slash-undeserving &#8220;Iska&#8221;). So why did books have to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like I am. I failed goddamn PE, for crying out loud! So, yes, Marocharim, I only got into UP with a lot of damn dumb luck and ended up being a mediocre-slash-undeserving &#8220;Iska&#8221;). So why did books have to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jamestoned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamestoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I followed this controversy and discovered that this whole shebang is only about somebody who&#039;s bitter of not possessing thick cash to pay on tuition fee counters. I wouldn&#039;t comment on that UP &quot;iskolar ng bayan&quot; controvery. I&#039;ve never &quot;immersed&quot; in that atmosphere to actually be objective about all that &quot;natural intelligence&quot; and other UP-related implications. 

But why should I comment? It&#039;s not just UP who makes up the Philippines&#039; sphere of academic elites. Though I assume (just assuming here)  the only point that Dan (whatchamacallit) was trying to make was what Margarita Ventenilla Hamada (founder of Harvent Schools Pamapanga) wrote in her book &quot;School Mythtakes: Myths and Mistakes About School&quot;.

According to her: Glory should be given to a school which accepts all kinds of learners.

To be honest, I resent gloryfying any school (including my own). Maybe because I so long realized that amidst all the competencies, the application of that learning never materialized in this country. For A Better Society---words that emulate in every school&#039;s mission-vision. 

And I would never frown on people who work with their hands... something an agricultrural country really needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed this controversy and discovered that this whole shebang is only about somebody who&#8217;s bitter of not possessing thick cash to pay on tuition fee counters. I wouldn&#8217;t comment on that UP &#8220;iskolar ng bayan&#8221; controvery. I&#8217;ve never &#8220;immersed&#8221; in that atmosphere to actually be objective about all that &#8220;natural intelligence&#8221; and other UP-related implications. </p>
<p>But why should I comment? It&#8217;s not just UP who makes up the Philippines&#8217; sphere of academic elites. Though I assume (just assuming here)  the only point that Dan (whatchamacallit) was trying to make was what Margarita Ventenilla Hamada (founder of Harvent Schools Pamapanga) wrote in her book &#8220;School Mythtakes: Myths and Mistakes About School&#8221;.</p>
<p>According to her: Glory should be given to a school which accepts all kinds of learners.</p>
<p>To be honest, I resent gloryfying any school (including my own). Maybe because I so long realized that amidst all the competencies, the application of that learning never materialized in this country. For A Better Society&#8212;words that emulate in every school&#8217;s mission-vision. </p>
<p>And I would never frown on people who work with their hands&#8230; something an agricultrural country really needs.</p>
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		<title>By: the jester-in-exile</title>
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		<dc:creator>the jester-in-exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The expectation is not that you will get your much-needed slap-in-the-face when you graduate and get a job, but you get it while you’re still in school.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

my prof RDM calls that &quot;humble pie.&quot; boy, does she dish it out a lot.

(tastes great with beer, by the way. :D )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;The expectation is not that you will get your much-needed slap-in-the-face when you graduate and get a job, but you get it while you’re still in school.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>my prof RDM calls that &#8220;humble pie.&#8221; boy, does she dish it out a lot.</p>
<p>(tastes great with beer, by the way. <img src='http://www.marocharim.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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